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4C total prodution will be 3,500 - ends in 2018

Stopped by the Alfa dealer in New York City. Said that total production worldwide will be 3,500 4C's (per year?)- coupes and spiders. No spiders in 2017 .... not sure about 2018. 2018 will be last production year for all. Giulia sales are good, will be focus of company. I know some of this info has been mentioned in other posts, this is just another dealer's comment. Take care of your cars ... seems like they are going to be pretty collectable.


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Take it with a grain of salt...or a shovel.
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Wasn't 3500 what Alfa originally claimed their yearly production capacity was going to be for the 4C?
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Wasn't 3500 what Alfa originally claimed their yearly production capacity was going to be for the 4C?
I think that's correct. It was sales-speak though. Carbon fiber layups are labor intensive. No way around that. If demand had been there, Fiat would have invested in improvements to the process. But demand wasn't there.

These are going to be rare and valuable cars whether production ends in 2017, 2018 or 2020.
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I think that's correct. It was sales-speak though. Carbon fiber layups are labor intensive. No way around that. If demand had been there, Fiat would have invested in improvements to the process. But demand wasn't there.

These are going to be rare and valuable cars whether production ends in 2017, 2018 or 2020.
Yes, they will be rare and valuable. Especially unmolested ones. But my point was that what the dealer had told him sounded like it was made up. First, I think the 3500 was the original estimated yearly production capacity. Second, I don't think they ever hit anywhere near that on a yearly basis. Third, I figure the total production for worldwide will exceed 3500 for the entire run. So, again, the dealer sounded like he pulled that out of his butt.
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Agree. It's hearsay for sure. Plus, it came from a car dealer!

But I do think current production total for all markets is around 3500 at this time. Can anyone confirm?
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Stopped by the Alfa dealer in New York City. Said that total production worldwide will be 3,500 4C's (per year?)- coupes and spiders. No spiders in 2017 .... not sure about 2018. 2018 will be last production year for all. Giulia sales are good, will be focus of company. I know some of this info has been mentioned in other posts, this is just another dealer's comment. Take care of your cars ... seems like they are going to be pretty collectable.
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Wasn't 3500 what Alfa originally claimed their yearly production capacity was going to be for the 4C?
I got into an argument about this in another thread about 6 months ago.
The question was whether the quoted 3,500 was what they thought they would make, the theoretical maximum they could produce, or what they thought they could sell (I interpreted as the last one).

Based on numbers we've seen, it looks like they have only sold less than 2x that number (just under 5,100 copies )in total that we could account for worldwide from Day 1 in 2013 up to the end of 2016. That census is based on a number of sources, and some sales are bound to have fallen through the cracks.

My best guess is that there will be about 8,000 of these cars worldwide (total coupes and spiders), by the time the curtain goes down.
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I got into an argument about this in another thread about 6 months ago.
The question was whether the quoted 3,500 was what they thought they would make, the theoretical maximum they could produce, or what they thought they could sell (I interpreted as the last one).

Based on numbers we've seen, it looks like they have only sold less than 2x that number (just under 5,100 copies )in total that we could account for worldwide from Day 1 in 2013 up to the end of 2016. That census is based on a number of sources, and some sales are bound to have fallen through the cracks.

My best guess is that there will be about 8,000 of these cars worldwide (total coupes and spiders), by the time the curtain goes down.

Current total U.S. sales are just over 1300, and Canada is 210. I think it's highly unlikely U.S. (and maybe combined with Canada) sales will top 2000 before the end of production. So, is the rest of the world outside North America buying 3x as many? Also, I'm pretty sure the original 3500 number was estimated production capacity, not sales. In theory, they could predict how many they could produce, although the line got held up for a week while they looked for that pencil, but I don't think even FCA thought they could predict sales.
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Current total U.S. sales are just over 1300, and Canada is 210. I think it's highly unlikely U.S. (and maybe combined with Canada) sales will top 2000 before the end of production. So, is the rest of the world outside North America buying 3x as many? Also, I'm pretty sure the original 3500 number was estimated production capacity, not sales. In theory, they could predict how many they could produce, although the line got held up for a week while they looked for that pencil, but I don't think even FCA thought they could predict sales.
One would think that estimated production would roughly equal estimated sales. Well, actual causality would dictate it's in the opposite order, but still equal.
In the auto industry (to the public) one rarely says "if we go all out, we can make X of this model". Typically, it's "we plan to sell (= make) Y of them".
Especially since they had tons of demand in the first year+, yet didn't actually ever get anywhere near 3,500. Basically, the entire 4C project was mis-managed from the time it went to production.
And the person responsible for mis-managing it is no longer CEO of Alfa Romeo and Maserati. I'm guessing there's a correlation. My guess is that he was asked to fall on his pencil.

As for the numbers, click the Sales World tab on the spreadsheet at this link:
4C Owners' List

Edit: don't forget, they are (or at least were) limited to selling 1,000 a year of these in Europe. I think it's related to not meeting all the safety standards. So basically, the EU was willing to have up to 1,000 of its citizens get killed annually in order to support the Italian Auto Industry!

Upping the strength of the Euro coupe's tub (which has recently been mentioned in multiple threads) may remove that limit. Perhaps???

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