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Planning on buying an 4c in the next 1-2 month

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I plan on becoming one lucky owner (like you) in the next 1-2 month so please help me with some info:
I will probably buy the car from Germany with low mileage.
1) Are there any differences between 2014 --> 2017 models? (apart for the options)
2) Does the European versions have anti-roll bars by default ?
3) What is the difference between the sport suspension and the regular one?
4) What to look for when buying a SH car (apart from the usual stuff when checking a car)?
5) Does the extra CF side vent add any cooling when tracking the car? Is it a must for track days?

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Hi cipsony. Welcome to the forum!

I can only help you a bit, as I'm in Canada and our cars are somewhat different from the Euro variant. But we have a lot of information on this forum, with plenty of members in that region as well.

1. There are a few changes that I am aware of in the 2017 models - mainly more available options and an additional colour (yellow). The 2014 European cars had the "spider eye" headlights, while I think the covered ones are now standard. I've heard that there are some changes to the tub for the 2017 coupes (making it the same as in the Spider, slightly heavier, but someone may correct me on that.

2. I don't know.

3. Another member put this picture up today, of his 4C on the track with the standard suspension:

The race suspension typically does not roll anywhere near that much by that far through a corner.
Someone else from the UK, who has had the opportunity to drive both, noted that hard driving (on a race track) is the only place where you will note the difference.
The standard suspension puts the car a few millimetres higher than the race one. But you'll likely never notice that.

4. The service schedule requires a bolt tightening at 1 year, and every 2 years thereafter (or 20,000KM / every 40,000 thereafter). Be sure that was done, or have it a condition of sale to inspect and re-torque the bolts. It is not cheap, and there is potential damage to be done. I'd have a trained Alfa shop look at the car anyway, as the tub is a unique item that mere mortals like us are not able to evaluate. It is pretty robust, but if broken it is almost certainly a write-off. I don't mean to get you worried, but better safe than sorry. Make sure that the updates (flashes to ECU and transmission control unit) are done or get done after you own it, and that all the Alfa "pit stop" maintenance was or gets done. There have been only a few issues with the car - some leaking or condensation causing water in the cabin and trunk, and some transmission problems (mainly fixed with software, but some more serious repairs were done). Be sure that the panels all fit well, and give the car a good car wash to ensure no trunk leaks.

5. The CF side vent was put on to solve transmission heating issues with US cars (which are heavier than in Europe - as are the drivers and there is perhaps more stop-and-go traffic in large American cities). Stop and go traffic heats the clutches. The vent simply directs air to the transaxle. Of course, at slow speed, there is no air flow. At higher (highway and track) speeds, there is plenty of cooling already. So I'm not thinking that this option on Euro 4C's is really worth it. We have a lot of European members who's cars have seen significant track miles without this vent, and without issue. If you get stuck in stop-go traffic, do not let the car crawl in first gear. Either apply the brake (hard), or the gas. idling off seems to be hard on the clutches. Put it in Neutral for longer stops (trains).

Good luck in your shopping! Be sure to let us know how you make out!

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For comparison, this is the first Chris Harris video (the one in which he likes the 4C).
It will be the track suspension.
There is still roll, but I think limited when compared to the still photo above (in as much as you can compare the two).

There are some good examples on the track after about 4:20 on the video.

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Hi everyone!
I plan on becoming one lucky owner (like you) in the next 1-2 month so please help me with some info:
I will probably buy the car from Germany with low mileage.
Thank you!
Welcome to the forum

The 4C is certainly a good choice when it comes to selecting a track car. I'm in the USA and there is a slight difference between the Euro cars and ours. Not much, but still... I think the Euro owners can answer your questions better.

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1) Are there any differences between 2014 --> 2017 models? (apart for the options)
None that I know of. The early cars (I have an early car) had bugs that needed to be found and fixed. This is always to be expected on the first run of a new car. As these issue appeared, the fixes were applied to the assembly process as well as a TSB for the existing cars. So, technically, there is no difference. There are no actual changes.


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2) Does the European versions have anti-roll bars by default ?
Yes, they do. See question three.


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3) What is the difference between the sport suspension and the regular one?
This goes hand-in-hand with question two. I've never been able to determine what the exact difference is between the standard and racing suspension. It could be:
a) shock damping: softer vs stiffer
b) spring rates: softer vs stiffer
c) anti-roll bars: the racing suspension does have front & rear roll bars. I've heard that the standard suspension does not. I've not verified that though.

Again, this is somewhat of a guess on my part. AR is tight lipped about this and just won't tell us what the reality is.

My 4C does have the racing suspension. I have tracked it. There is very little body roll. I do have (stock) front & rear roll bars. The good news here is, that there are plenty of after market parts available and you have enough track choices that it hardly matters what you start with cause you'll probably change it all out anyway.


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4) What to look for when buying a SH car (apart from the usual stuff when checking a car)?
I assume SH means Second Hand. Just the usual.


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5) Does the extra CF side vent add any cooling when tracking the car? Is it a must for track days?
4Canada explained this quite well. It's a passive air duct directing air across the trans-axle in the area of the clutch and differential. I've never had a transmission issue at speed, only in stop & go traffic. A true oil cooler would be a nice upgrade here.

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Thank you guys for your feedback. This is a little bit worrying when buying a second hand car:
"The service schedule requires a bolt tightening at 1 year, and every 2 years thereafter (or 20,000KM / every 40,000 thereafter). Be sure that was done, or have it a condition of sale to inspect and re-torque the bolts. It is not cheap, and there is potential damage to be done. "

With this are you reffering to the bolts that connect the aluminium front and rear frames to the CF body?
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Thank you guys for your feedback. This is a little bit worrying when buying a second hand car:
"The service schedule requires a bolt tightening at 1 year, and every 2 years thereafter (or 20,000KM / every 40,000 thereafter). Be sure that was done, or have it a condition of sale to inspect and re-torque the bolts. It is not cheap, and there is potential damage to be done. "

With this are you reffering to the bolts that connect the aluminium front and rear frames to the CF body?
Regardless of what AR says, time is irrelevant. Bolts & nuts do not loosen while the car sits unused. They loosen from vibration while you drive. You're looking at a nut & bolt job about every 12,000 miles. I've managed to drive enough to do this twice now and get the oil changed during the same service. About $800 for the Full Monty.

Basically, all the fasteners that attach to the carbon fiber tub. If I were to do it myself, which I will in few years, I'd check most everything while I'm at it. There is a thread or two with this specific info, but I don't recall the name.

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On the 4C cloud, there is the full service bulletin showing all fasteners to be done, and their torques.
One or more will only take torque twice and are to be replaced thereafter.

Links in a sticky thread in the Technical section.

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When taking the service for tightening the bolts what was their state? Did they need any tightening or was it just a check and everything was ok? I'm asking this because I might go for a car with 20-25 K miles and I don't know if the previous owner did this service (I will try to find out before buying the car).
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When taking the service for tightening the bolts what was their state? Did they need any tightening or was it just a check and everything was ok? I'm asking this because I might go for a car with 20-25 K miles and I don't know if the previous owner did this service (I will try to find out before buying the car).
If they did it correctly, then this really can't be answered. The proper way to retorque a bolt is to loosen it a bit first. Has to do with different values for static and dynamic friction coefficients. If the service wasn't done, then just account for it in the price. Simple.
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When taking the service for tightening the bolts what was their state? Did they need any tightening or was it just a check and everything was ok? I'm asking this because I might go for a car with 20-25 K miles and I don't know if the previous owner did this service (I will try to find out before buying the car).
They said everything was fine. Others have reported a few loose.

25k miles isn't an issue if it's been serviced properly. There's not enough data yet to have a proper expectation of high end milage. I think there's less than a handful worldwide that even have 25k yet. I'd expect 200k to 300k miles.
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