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post #311 of 326 (permalink) Old 03-30-2017, 05:43 AM
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Just received our parcel from Chris and the guys at Eurocompulsion, just a note to say thanks guys for a brilliant service and I cant wait to try it out.

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Toby has already confirmed that he could positively adjust the appropriate ECU tables for a HFC should someone inquire about it.


PSA: the EC crew is in TN at Dragon for the weekend so they might not be easily accessible until next week Monday.


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Toby has already confirmed that he could positively adjust the appropriate ECU tables for a HFC should someone inquire about it.


PSA: the EC crew is in TN at Dragon for the weekend so they might not be easily accessible until next week Monday.
That where he went lol. Chris is actually doing a special tune for me sending my ECU clone out on Monday. I am being the test dummy

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I have decided to go with Chris as well, contacted him on Thursday was hoping to get my package on Friday (I did not realize they did not ship from NY), but Chris got back to me quickly and explained they were backed up and asked if I could wait till Tuesday. I must say I am impressed, Chris replied to all the emails I sent him promptly and answered all my questions, I am looking forward to getting his product into my car.
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I was looking through your web page and thought I saw a familiar tool.
So I went out to my garage and sure enough, we still had a MyGenius Tuner.

The wife used to have a 2006 Mini Cooper and that was used to tune it.

Shouldn't I be able to register that to the 4c [After maybe having to pay for an additional vehicle] and then email back and forth tunes and logs?

BTW, I just bought spacers from your website.
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I was looking through your web page and thought I saw a familiar tool.
So I went out to my garage and sure enough, we still had a MyGenius Tuner.

The wife used to have a 2006 Mini Cooper and that was used to tune it.

Shouldn't I be able to register that to the 4c [After maybe having to pay for an additional vehicle] and then email back and forth tunes and logs?

BTW, I just bought spacers from your website.
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I have yet to see any tuners offering anything that you could use a handheld for. It would be nice, I have that on my Miata RF and C7, seems you have three choices at the moment, Flash your ECU, ECU clone, or piggyback. Though your unit might look like what you see on their site, my guess is the software is very different. I assume the fact that there are not that many of these cars out there is part of the reason that no handheld tuner is available. Over the years I have had, flash tunes, piggy backs, and handhelds, this will be the first time I have used a cloned ECU. I certainly see the advantage of going this route. I ordered the airbox (from Chris) yesterday (and a second steering wheel so I can have it made to suit me) and I am trying something new with this car rather than doing everything all at once I am taking things one step at a time. My girlfriend idea since I tend to do everything at once and then go buy another car to start messing with.
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I was looking through your web page and thought I saw a familiar tool.
So I went out to my garage and sure enough, we still had a MyGenius Tuner.

The wife used to have a 2006 Mini Cooper and that was used to tune it.

Shouldn't I be able to register that to the 4c [After maybe having to pay for an additional vehicle] and then email back and forth tunes and logs?

BTW, I just bought spacers from your website.
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They probably use it for other cars, such as the Abarth

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I was looking through your web page and thought I saw a familiar tool.
So I went out to my garage and sure enough, we still had a MyGenius Tuner.

The wife used to have a 2006 Mini Cooper and that was used to tune it.

Shouldn't I be able to register that to the 4c [After maybe having to pay for an additional vehicle] and then email back and forth tunes and logs?

BTW, I just bought spacers from your website.
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At this point, there is no (that i know of) capability to flash the ECU thru the OBDII port yet.
I, too, have a handheld from my Abarth...from Eurocompulsion.


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That tuner is the same as what we have.

No offense to Eurocompulsion, but I am just not a fan of what I call blind tuning or using canned tunes. Each car is different and it will take a lot of convincing for me to load something in which the seller has zero responsibility of paying for damages, when I have no visibility.

A Perfect example is in this thread with HumbertoR.
He knew something was not right, but had no way to look at it is and see what it was.
With the clone, the nice thing is, you can just swap the ECU, but that does not help in troubleshooting or let you know you need to immediately stop driving to avoid grenade-ing your engine.

I have HP Tuners and am used to being able to view, compare and flash tunes as well as log all of the parameters that I feel are needed to ensure the car is running correctly.

Even with the dimsport, it was not as detailed as HPT, but at least we could data log and then email that to the tuner so he could adjust the tune and send a new one back. The mini was also tuned by the tuner in person, so he tuned it, drove and data logged it, tweaked it, drove it, data logged it, tweaked it until he felt it was performing well and also safe.

I've never had the first tune end up being the permanent tune on any car I have owned.

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That tuner is the same as what we have.

No offense to Eurocompulsion, but I am just not a fan of what I call blind tuning or using canned tunes. Each car is different and it will take a lot of convincing for me to load something in which the seller has zero responsibility of paying for damages, when I have no visibility.

A Perfect example is in this thread with HumbertoR.
He knew something was not right, but had no way to look at it is and see what it was.
With the clone, the nice thing is, you can just swap the ECU, but that does not help in troubleshooting or let you know you need to immediately stop driving to avoid grenade-ing your engine.

I have HP Tuners and am used to being able to view, compare and flash tunes as well as log all of the parameters that I feel are needed to ensure the car is running correctly.

Even with the dimsport, it was not as detailed as HPT, but at least we could data log and then email that to the tuner so he could adjust the tune and send a new one back. The mini was also tuned by the tuner in person, so he tuned it, drove and data logged it, tweaked it, drove it, data logged it, tweaked it until he felt it was performing well and also safe.

I've never had the first tune end up being the permanent tune on any car I have owned.


Point taken. But all of the tune options currently are bench tuned ECUs regardless of whether you send your master ECU in or buy a slave (clone) ECU and drop that in. From what Greg has posted often in his informative tunes in the past is that 4C and its ECU is very adaptive to the performance parameters.


Unless you are running E85, want a custom autocross or track tune with heavy modification with CB dual Cams, bigger turbo, HFC, etc etc., dyno tuning based on data logging would be more appropriate to ensure safety and optimization.


Chris, Toby and Greg@EC have all stated that the current tune of Phases 1 and 2 are tuned and tested well below pushing the engine (or rather transmission as that is probably the true limiting factor in more power) to its limits. Now that Toby has a test 4C in Oklahoma and has/will have a fully functional shop dyno in house, this will definitely lead to a more dynamic tune capability.


You could always volunteer and take your 4C to Oklahoma and be dyno tuned. I want to say that because of the write security protocols to the ECU, this prevents the ability to flash the ECU at this time through a handheld (although this capability might have progressed recently).


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